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[00:01:30]ed_pi predict no
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[00:07:45]steevithaked_p: any reasons to wait for the inspection before setting up electric service?
[00:10:26]ed_pyeah i think it has to happen in that order
[00:10:48]ed_pi asked if we could do electric earlier, and PSBS said no
[00:10:59]ed_plike everything stops until the CO happens, afaik
[00:11:11]steevithakoh, ok, was hoping we could get a head start on it
[00:11:13]ed_pthat doesn't mean we can't be ready to pull the trigger
[00:11:24]ed_pget all the paperwork done, know the phone numbers and whatnot
[00:11:54]steevithakyeah, we could at least select the vendor. Most of them only offer quotes good for 24 hours, so we'll have to get a fresh quote the day we sign.
[00:12:00]Alan_hso if the electricity isnt turned on by thursday night, will we have the meeting there?
[00:12:13]ed_pat the very least, we'll visit there as a group
[00:12:31]Alan_hI'll pack a flashlight then
[00:12:32]steevithakYeah, we should at least do a tour even if there's no power
[00:12:35]ed_pcar + inventer + a few lamps will get us a bit
[00:12:44]ed_pno AC will be a bummer
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[00:14:45]ed_phi glenn
[00:14:47]ed_pwhats up?
[00:19:00]steevithakgot two more speakers for software freedom day, Dale on Arduinos and Paul on HP's use of free software for server mgmt
[00:26:46]ed_pawesome
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[00:31:11]ed_pah ha! i've got the mbed connecting to my server at least now
[00:31:57]steevithakcool
[00:37:30]ed_pand now i'm sending stuff via ethernet
[00:38:03]steevithakyikes, it'll be talking on irc in another few minutes
[00:39:02]ed_palmost
[00:39:11]ed_pthe issue now is handling the events of 'i sent some bytes but not the whole thing'
[00:39:18]ed_pand then 'i received some bytes, now what'
[00:39:30]ed_pi
[00:40:08]ed_pi'm catching the events but what i'd really like is a buffer around them, so i can eventually do something socketThing.printf("woot woot");
[00:40:20]steevithakdoes it have a library to handle that or do you have to write the code
[00:40:26]ed_pwell
[00:40:31]ed_pi'm wondering
[00:40:50]ed_pit seems like they'd have written something like that, because they did for LCDs, serial ports, etc
[00:41:01]ed_pthat is, they hve a generic stream class just to support all the stream stuff they do
[00:42:38]steevithakare they similar enough you could reuse the code?
[00:42:46]ed_pmaybe
[00:42:48]ed_pi'll have to dig around
[00:43:00]ed_pi mean, like i was saying at the meeting, theres httpClient and httpServer
[00:43:03]ed_pand a few others
[00:43:09]ed_pbut I couldn't unravel them
[00:43:30]ed_pnow that i have the darn thing working (and understand that its an event system)
[00:43:39]ed_pmaybe i can go back and do it better
[00:44:07]steevithakyeah, http would need the same type of thing
[00:45:26]ed_pthe problem i had there was that they set up something a little too awesome
[00:45:42]ed_pthey have a twitter class thats just magic
[00:45:50]ed_pyou just do something like login_to_twitter()
[00:46:02]ed_pthen tweet_this( "yo i just ate a sandwich" );
[00:46:11]ed_pso much higher level
[00:46:32]steevithakyeah, that one call is probably doing a lot of sends and receives
[00:47:44]ed_poh yeah
[00:47:53]ed_pand its all amazingly nicely objected oriented beneath it
[00:48:07]ed_pthey have server objects and hosts and all sorts of stuff
[00:48:15]ed_pbut no documentation (until recently) about any of it
[00:49:17]steevithakha, I bet somebody has written an irc library for Arduino already
[00:49:45]ed_pyeah there are way more users of arduino
[00:49:50]ed_pi'm not so sure of the ethernet shield
[00:50:11]ed_pok
[00:50:19]steevithakhttp://www.arduino.cc/en/Reference/Ethernet
[00:50:41]ed_pgot it working to open a socket, wait till connected, send a string, wait till sent, close, report when closed (which never happens)
[00:51:15]ed_phey nice
[00:51:24]ed_pi'll have to get one of those at some point
[00:51:36]ed_pthe mbed is a much more capable system, honestly
[00:52:09]steevithakyeah, it looked like a pretty cool little setup
[00:52:22]ed_parduino with shield is $30 + $45 = $75
[00:52:40]ed_pmbed with breakout is $60 + $15 = $75
[00:52:59]ed_pand you get usb client+host, way more processing power,
[00:53:16]ed_pplus a bunch more hardware serial ports, a can controller
[00:53:20]ed_pits... pretty packed
[00:53:28]ed_pmore ram, more flash
[00:54:57]ed_phttp://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=375
[00:55:42]ed_psteevithak: heres that press release http://www.ri.cmu.edu/news_view.html?news_id=111&menu_id=238
[00:56:11]ed_p"Examples are programming tools that create game-like virtual worlds where robot programs can be tested,"
[00:56:33]steevithakhaha, FIRE - they need to adopt Beavis and Butt-Head as mascots - "Fire! Fire!"
[00:56:36]ed_phaha
[00:57:07]steevithakso the "add virtual worlds to robotc" is your gig?
[00:57:50]ed_pyup
[00:57:53]ed_pstarting off at least
[00:58:47]steevithakoh, they're going after boy scouts? guess that blows dprg's chances of doing the merit badge thing; can't compete with cmu!
[00:59:03]ed_pwell
[00:59:11]ed_pi think there might be some DPRG guys involved with that, honestly
[00:59:13]ed_phard to say
[00:59:35]ed_pyou need more than just a neat platform idea for the boyscouts; you need curriculum and experience in education
[00:59:39]ed_pwhich is what CMU has
[00:59:51]steevithakI'll try to run a robots.net story on it tomorrow. You're official now, right, so I can mention that they're taping the DPRG for talent?
[01:00:08]ed_pyeah I guess I am official
[01:00:30]ed_pgot the letter, told them I've accepted it
[01:00:36]ed_phaven't started yet though
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[01:01:12]ed_pi guess 'no' !
[01:01:14]CO-botCO still not completed... those devious pox-marked
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[01:01:21]ed_pi should start guessing the insults
[01:01:40]ed_pthat one was two adjectives
[01:01:44]steevithakhmmm... something went wrong with that one. Two adjective but no noun!
[01:02:11]steevithakI probably stuck an adjective in the noun list or something
[01:02:42]steevithakOnce we get the co finished, I'll have to rewrite it to insult each irc user when they log on
[01:02:49]ed_pha
[01:08:51]ed_psome of this documentation is weak
[01:09:09]ed_pie: "int close( void ) -- closes the socket"
[01:09:14]ed_pdrr. ya think so?
[01:09:47]ed_pbut its better than nothing. it'd be nice if it had stuff like 'after it closes, no events will be generated because the underlying system is destroyed here'
[01:09:57]ed_pumm 'destructed here'
[01:10:41]steevithakdocumentation always sucks
[01:12:43]steevithakok, I'm off to try to get some sleep...
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[01:30:35]MetalDusthttp://kroma.co.uk/photos/bae-systems-herti-uav.jpg
[01:31:21]ed_ptheres a pretty good appnote for interfacing to a ps2 keyboard here http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc1235.pdf I'm using it for a differnt controller and its still useful
[01:32:25]ed_pa lot of these drones all use that specific V-shaped tail fins setup
[01:32:32]ed_pi wonder what the deal there is
[01:32:55]ed_pless control surfaces? they don't seem to use them on manned aircraft that I recall
[01:33:29]ed_pdo they help create a more stable thrust/center of mass situation?
[01:34:12]ed_phttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-tail THANKS WIKIPEDIA! first hit on google for "V shaped tail on aircraft"
[01:36:08]MetalDustinteresting
[01:37:00]ed_phttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_Bonanza The V-tailed varient is/was known as the "fork tailed doctor killer"
[01:37:11]ed_pprobably due to structural issues, not the V tail itself
[01:39:51]ed_pweee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultralight_aircraft_%28United_States%29
[01:44:28]MetalDustabout a week ago. there was a free ultralight on craigslist
[01:44:42]ed_pwow
[01:45:52]MetalDustI'm just waiting for the arc of the convenant to show up :P
[01:47:41]ed_plow milage arc of covenant; shipping crate included; some face melting goo stains
[01:50:11]MetalDusthehe
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[09:49:46]ed_pi feel like a zombie this morning
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[09:50:22]Alan_hed_p: fight the urge to eat brains
[09:50:46]ed_pi've just never realized how tasty they are until today
[09:51:00]Alan_hwe've all been there. but you'll regret it tomorrow
[09:51:19]ed_pi'm regretting it today
[09:51:30]ed_ppoor fluffy
[09:51:35]Alan_h:)
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[10:46:51]ed_pdoes anyone know what goes into the cost of paying off a house loan?
[10:47:11]ed_pthey make you request it specifically isntead of just giving you the number
[10:47:18]ed_pso imagine theres some financial voodoo going on
[10:48:12]steevithakI think the need to request it is because they have to calculate the payoff amount at the time you pay it off
[10:48:47]steevithakyou avoid paying n years of compounded interest if you pay it off at time x (or something like that)
[10:49:07]ed_pi just need a ball park, i think
[10:49:17]ed_pehow gives some tips http://www.ehow.com/how_5025612_calculate-mortgage-payoff-amount.html
[10:49:46]steevithakMy mortgage holder has a website where I can log in and get an instant update on the payoff amount
[10:49:54]Alan_hbut that should be an easy calculation. Like my sallie mae school loans give you that on their website. I think they make the process harder just to make you less likely to do it
[10:50:16]ed_pi have to 'request' it, but then i only get two requests a year. they're $10 after that
[10:50:24]ed_pwell i guess I'll burn one up just to know what the deal is
[10:50:44]ed_pAlan_h: i suspect you are right
[10:51:03]ed_pbut also this means you can't get it wrong
[10:51:36]steevithakwow, that sucks, who's the mortgage with?
[10:51:41]ed_pwhcih i gather from dealing with my mortgage company, a lot of peopel just 'do it wrong' (whether its understanding fees, sending the check to the wrong place, or whatever) and I imagine that is a source of great cost and annoyance
[10:53:04]ed_pwell it was through my credit union, but they contract out completely to Service Home Loan, which is realy owned by Colonial Savings
[10:53:33]ed_pI'd hoped to deal solely with my credit union but surprise that didn't happen
[10:53:56]steevithakhmmm... and who charges the $10? Can you avoid it if you go direct to Colonial Savings to get the payoff info?
[10:54:01]ed_pI've not had much trouble with these guys, but its not as nice as 'the people i know down at the credit union'
[10:54:07]ed_pno i dont think so
[10:54:22]ed_pand when your'e dealing with zillions of dollars, 10 bucks is just piddly diddly
[10:54:59]ed_poh wait a second
[10:55:04]ed_pthey're gonna mail it to me
[10:55:05]steevithakyeah, probably not much you can do but pay it if you need to. The payoff amount will probably change daily.
[10:55:13]ed_pit does change daily
[10:55:17]ed_p(evidently)
[10:56:42]steevithakyeah, interest is probably compounded daily - should say in the mortgage paper work
[11:00:21]ed_pwell if i can drop my interst rate a point and refi to 30 yrs, things are all nice
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[11:01:16]CO-botCO still not completed... those sniveling sops
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[11:01:31]ed_pafter lunch, we can call the hotline and find out what the deal is
[11:02:07]ed_p(on the inspection)
[11:02:54]steevithakI think the result will appear here (not sure how quickly though) http://developdallas.dallascityhall.com/contractor.asp?PossePresentationId=468000&PosseObjectId=42769759
[11:04:03]ed_pthe hotline is completely automated and update 24/7
[11:04:15]ed_pbut that doesn't mean someone isn't on the back end, entering everything into the system by hand
[11:04:47]steevithakI guess we can check with Jason this afternoon to see if anyone came by today
[11:06:41]steevithakhey, is the theory still that founding member of dallas makerspace get physical storage space?
[11:07:00]ed_pi guess?
[11:07:04]ed_pwe can take a vote
[11:07:06]ed_p:)
[11:07:12]steevithakIt occurs to me we need to set an official cut off date for founding members (like must have paid dues before Aug 1 or something)
[11:07:44]steevithakMight be an incentive to get our last few holds to subscribe
[11:07:51]steevithaks/holds/holdouts/
[11:09:34]steevithakhttp://www.dallasmakerspace.com/wiki/Members
[11:09:58]steevithakwe've got seven "member" we need to get online before Aug 1 if possible
[11:10:17]steevithakAnyone in contact with Ralph? Is he still interested?
[11:10:37]steevithaked_p: any chance you can poke Michael Menefee and see if we can get him hooked up?
[11:10:53]ed_pI should see him this weekend
[11:10:58]ed_pbut he's so busy
[11:11:07]ed_pI mean even more than last year
[11:11:12]ed_pi barely see him now
[11:12:22]steevithakI wonder if we have all these guys on the DMS members mailing list? I could formulate a little email reminder
[11:16:13]ed_pi think we do
[11:28:01]steevithakok, I sent you a proposed "last call" email, let me know what you think
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[11:35:01]paul_hive13Hello
[11:35:19]peters-txhi paul
[11:36:01]peters-txhow is the Hive ?
[11:36:18]paul_hive13Not bad, we just had an open house party this past saturday
[11:36:34]paul_hive13unfortunately we have no air-conditioning for 90% of our space and it was in the 90's all day
[11:36:49]peters-txfirst one?
[11:37:01]paul_hive13Our third party, 2nd open house
[11:37:21]paul_hive13IT was our 1 year 'birthday' party
[11:37:57]paul_hive13Went pretty well, but the attendance was definitely down from the last party we had. I think it was just too hot for most people
[11:38:17]peters-txsounds like it!
[11:38:28]peters-txGrats, 1 year ;) that's a long time
[11:39:05]paul_hive13Yeah, thanks
[11:39:14]paul_hive13Out of curiousity, how does your channel logging work?
[11:39:47]paul_hive13aha, just saw the statement at the bottom of the page
[11:40:20]peters-txah yes, there it is
[11:40:43]paul_hive13I have been working on writing a channel bot for our group for about a month now, one of the purposes is going to be logging the channel, but if there was an already existing method...
[11:41:36]peters-txyes, you'll have to ping steevithak when he gets back
[11:42:34]peters-txalthough following the link at the bottom of the log I found this http://www.splitbrain.org/blog/2007-05/27-logging_an_irc_channel?s[]=irc&s[]=log
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[11:45:07]peters-txhi Glenn
[11:45:17]GlennHi
[11:46:23]MetalDusthows canada,
[11:46:25]peters-txoop, lunch
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[12:05:02]GlennGood
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[12:41:48]MetalDusthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFoIsusgatk&videos=r5zZNIGf370
[12:48:49]steevithakpaul_hive13: we're using the splitbrain irc logger (same guys who developed dokuwiki)
[12:48:54]steevithakpaul_hive13: http://www.splitbrain.org/blog/2007-05/27-logging_an_irc_channel
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[12:49:32]steevithakit's pretty good but occasionally gets confused by netsplits (I have a crontab that restarts it occasionally)
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[13:19:17]paul_hive13steevithak: thanks, I like the php interface, I think I am going to see how I might work it into my logger project
[13:19:52]steevithaklet us know what you come up with, I'd love to have a better logger but haven't had time to write anything myself
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[13:41:29]ed_pany word ?
[13:41:44]ed_pi'm gonna call the automated hotline and find out if theres an update
[13:42:48]ed_pi see that glenn is the name on it, so i guess they'll call glenn if something happens
[13:43:18]GlennHi
[13:43:47]GlennNo call here
[13:44:01]GlennExcept for spammers
[13:44:19]GlennWanting to install an alarm system
[13:44:38]ed_puh oh
[13:44:43]ed_pelectrical got red tag
[13:44:57]GlennReally? Why
[13:45:38]steevithakcrap, who has to pay to bring the space up to code?
[13:46:15]ed_pthem
[13:46:22]ed_pok so this is what the phone robot said
[13:46:33]ed_p'last result on building inspection CO
[13:46:41]ed_pgreen tag; final inspection approved
[13:46:49]ed_plast result for electrical something something
[13:47:00]ed_pred tag; something something; refert to tag'
[13:47:08]ed_pits hard to write it all down
[13:47:24]steevithakhmmm... wonder if that's the 2009 inspection that's in their database? It was an electrical inspection
[13:47:33]steevithakhttp://developdallas.dallascityhall.com/contractor.asp?PossePresentationId=468000&PosseObjectId=42769759
[13:48:08]steevithakthe green tag thing sounds good though
[13:49:27]ed_pit has a part in the robot script where it sounds like its supposed to read a date
[13:49:29]ed_pbut it just doesn't
[13:51:05]ed_pif anyone wants to hear the robot, its 214-670-5313 and our number is 1006221064
[13:51:22]steevithakMaybe we ought to run it by Jason?
[13:51:24]ed_pits like press 1 for english, press 2 for results, enter the number followed by a pound sign
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[14:01:14]CO-botCO still not completed... those anatomically incorrect procrastinators
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[14:07:22]MetalDustdo we need a copy machine?
[14:07:33]MetalDusthttp://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/zip/1868141322.html
[14:08:01]ed_phmm 'needs work'
[14:08:09]ed_pusually thats not a good sign
[14:08:19]MetalDustthere's also a conference table http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/zip/1868013734.html
[14:08:34]ed_pwow
[14:10:10]Alan_hjust had my august dues autopay from paypal
[14:11:13]steevithakyep, paypal ipn hit a few seconds ago
[14:11:22]MetalDustyour sacrifice will be remebered
[14:21:58]peters-txnot like anyone cares, but I've been putting this info on the main discussion page http://www.dallasmakerspace.com/wiki/Talk:Main_Page
[14:24:04]ed_pno log of all the insults, i see
[14:24:46]ed_palso we need to pay rent again soon
[14:25:06]Alan_hwe do? I thought rent was on hold until we moved in
[14:25:47]ed_poh yeah good point. i was just thinking of the date
[14:25:55]ed_pi bet we have to pay somehow/someway
[14:26:25]Alan_hinsurance. but thats a yearly fee isnt it?
[14:27:02]ed_pyeah
[14:27:22]ed_pbut i could see the landlords saying 'pay now, we'll prorate the last month'
[14:27:29]ed_pinstead of the first
[14:27:39]Alan_hthat would be uncool
[14:28:09]Alan_hand we all know that landlords are very worried about remaining cool
[14:28:30]ed_p:) its their topmost priority
[14:28:47]MetalDustmaybe if the fonz was our landlord
[14:29:24]Alan_hhe'd just ask us to build him a robotic shark to jump over
[14:29:24]ed_p"eeehhhh! rents due! eehhhh"
[14:29:33]peters-txed_p, have you contacted PS or Dallas about that supposed "red flag"
[14:29:41]ed_ppeters-tx: nope
[14:29:57]ed_pi've got jason's contact info
[14:30:01]ed_plet me give him a ringydingy
[14:30:14]peters-txerr, "red tag"
[14:31:10]peters-txthe phone bot said "inspection CO building only, green tag, final inspection. last electrical, for CO electric only, red tag, inspection failed, refer to tag"
[14:31:23]peters-txso building inspection green, electrical inspection, red
[14:31:32]peters-txsame CO
[14:33:52]ed_pgood news
[14:34:00]ed_pbut let me get the call back to know how good
[14:34:01]peters-txsteevithak, if you can see this, the message you've sent to the DMS list goes out to those who are already paying--perhaps resend to the Google disc list?
[14:34:14]ed_ppeters-tx: some of those people aren't current i think?
[14:34:27]ed_pJason is out of the office till friday
[14:34:28]steevithakwell, it's really aimed the member who are red-flagged
[14:34:32]peters-txI cleaned up the DMS list to have *only* paying people on it
[14:34:37]steevithakmembers
[14:34:50]peters-txso it currently has no red-flagged members ;)
[14:34:55]steevithakoh, didn't realize that
[14:34:59]ed_poh
[14:35:04]ed_pha well good job!
[14:35:07]steevithakok, I'll try scounge up all their emails and just cc all of them
[14:35:11]peters-txreally only removed like 3 or 4 people
[14:35:24]peters-txRalph, Scott, and 1 or 2 others
[14:37:13]ed_pwe were talking at the board meeting last night
[14:37:24]ed_pwhat do you guys think about 'lease signers get keys first'
[14:37:36]ed_pand then 'key holders vote in new key holders'
[14:37:44]ed_pas an interim until we've got electronic access?
[14:38:38]peters-txed_p, that sounds like a very reasonable starting point
[14:38:45]Alan_hdepends on how long it takes to get electronic access
[14:39:49]Alan_hif its an interim solution, sure, whatever works best. If its a 6 month solution, why the voting? why not just give a key to all paying members?
[14:40:10]ed_pthe idea is that its a trust chain
[14:40:19]ed_pits an idea from some of the other hackerspaces
[14:40:33]ed_palso some groups do something like 'you have to be a member for (a few) months'
[14:40:58]steevithakok, dug up all their emails and cc'd the red-flagged folks (seven total)
[14:41:20]ed_pbut yeah, 6 month wouldn't be the goal
[14:41:26]ed_pthis is like 'first steps'
[14:41:38]peters-txsteevithak, thank you, and I appologise for the confusion--actually I thought I'd sent an email regarding the minor cleanup I did
[14:41:41]Alan_hso this is largely to deal with new members who crop up once the space opens? I'm going to assume that all the current paying members will likely get voted a key
[14:41:49]ed_pyeah i think so too
[14:41:59]ed_perr
[14:42:07]ed_p'yes i think most the current members would get voted in'
[14:42:28]ed_pand 'yes i think its to deal with new people'
[14:42:37]steevithakhmmm... also good to limit how many physical keys get passed around - they're easy to lose or copy
[14:42:53]ed_pyeah ... theres an idea of a key deposit as well...
[14:42:59]ed_pmainly to keep people from losing them
[14:43:06]peters-txphysical access will likely be gated by a minimum time period investment too
[14:43:18]Alan_hthat makes sense to me. But when electronic access is installed, we may still want to have a chain of trust
[14:43:35]peters-txlike 3 months or something until you can bring your truck and load up on all our equipment 8P
[14:43:40]steevithakyeah, easier to manage than physical keys though
[14:44:05]steevithakif a member quits and keeps a physical key - we may have to change locks and replace everyone's keys
[14:44:23]steevithakvs deleting their access code from the electronic access system
[14:44:54]peters-txI'll try and do the appropriate research on the GoodFET info
[14:45:09]peters-txI understood that the GoodFET that the HOPE badge uses can support encryption
[14:45:36]steevithakheh, bet we could tie the electronic system to paypal - don't pay your dues and code gets deactivated automatically :)
[14:46:05]ed_plogical conclusion: hunt and destroy robots
[14:46:25]peters-txsteevithak, LDAP will ultimately keep track of the current expiration date of a person's account
[14:47:15]ed_pthis is full of really relavent advice for us right now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwo8pqh074g
[14:47:22]steevithakso a little perl to patch the paypal API into LDAP API perhaps (plus it could post an insult to irc)
[14:48:07]peters-txsteevithak, it could either sync up on a CRON or perhaps perform the lookup dynamically even, unless it is offline... which could be bad
[14:49:33]peters-txed_p, deja vu ;)
[14:49:40]peters-txoh wait
[14:49:42]peters-txMaker Faire
[14:49:59]ed_pyeah
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[15:02:01]steevithakyikes, got so engrossed in makerspace stuff I forgot my Servo column was due today
[15:02:18]ed_pO_O
[15:02:24]ed_pmake it about hackerspaces
[15:06:29]ed_pasdf
[15:06:30]ed_pok
[15:06:33]ed_pi'm gonna go get the keys
[15:06:39]ed_pcheck if we've got a red tag or a green tag
[15:06:59]ed_pif we've got a red tag, i'll call PSBS (contact is Linda) and let them know so they can get started on whatever needs fixing
[15:07:22]ed_potherwise, we have a green tag and we can order power/internet/party supplies
[15:07:39]ed_pand PSBS (contact is Courtney) will call us regardin moving the startin date
[15:07:49]ed_psooooo I'm going down to the space
[15:08:08]ed_panyone want to meet me there?
[15:08:32]steevithakwish I could but can't get away right now, post something when you have news
[15:08:45]Alan_hyeah, ditto that
[15:11:28]MetalDusthttp://badvista.fsf.org/
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[16:02:13]MetalDusti gotta get a list of all these insults
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[16:17:35]steevithakgot a txt from Ed. Possible good news. Sounds like we do need another inspection but we're cleared to at least get keys and utilities turned on
[16:17:58]steevithaksounds like it's ok to move some furniture in and try meeting there tomorrow.
[16:18:43]steevithakdid we come to any decision on who provides electricity for us? I'd like 100% renewable but don't care if it's Green Mountain or someone else.
[16:24:37]steevithakoh, scratch that, new info coming in now - on the phone with Ed...
[16:24:59]steevithakOk, definitely have green flag on the building itself - that's good
[16:25:32]steevithakbut the water heater got two red flags - one from the electrical inspection and one from the plumbing inspection
[16:25:57]steevithakso no turning on power yet after all, have to wait for the landlord to fix the issues with the water heater
[16:26:26]peters-txand then a re-inspection, so delay delay delay
[16:26:54]steevithakEd's got keys though, so we're thinking meet at XMAX as usual tomorrow and then make an excursion to tour the space
[16:26:59]MetalDustWe will just sit in the dark and bring bottled water.
[16:27:30]steevithakguess next step is find out from landlord time estimate for fixing problems (not sure what exactly they complained about)
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[16:30:38]steevithakon the upside, it seems like inspections happen within 24 hours request, so hopefully not more than a few more days
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[16:37:27]MetalDusthey doug.
[16:40:30]peters-txsteevithak, any new ideas about where to hold SFD at
[16:41:06]steevithakno, I started a section in the wiki for location ideas but haven't had any (ideas that is)
[16:42:20]steevithaklooks like we'll have a lot of talks, so I though a couple of rooms for those would be a good idea
[16:42:22]peters-txsteevithak, we have a contact at SMU now right? think we can query them on their "skunkworks" lab? it is supposed to be hackerspace-ish
[16:43:00]peters-txonly slightly related
[16:43:25]steevithakAlan's got a meeting planned tomorrow afternoon with SMU folks - we could ask then
[16:43:47]steevithakyou thinking it might be someplace we could do SFD?
[16:46:06]peters-txthat might be an option too I guess, but less likely I would think.. the "skunkworks" lab I guess is more related to a university-type hook for a membership base
[16:46:47]dougemesdcccd might have rooms available at Richland
[16:49:11]ed_phey guys
[16:49:18]ed_pwoof
[16:49:25]ed_pi was in the space for about ... 30 minutes?
[16:49:34]ed_pi think i was on the verge of heatstroke
[16:51:13]ed_psteve's info above is on the mark
[16:51:26]ed_pwe're going to be at XMAX but we can head over there to tour
[16:53:14]steevithakany word from landlord on how long to fix the problem? Or do we need to wait for Jason to get back
[16:54:15]ed_palso i measured the rooms so we can start planning what goes where
[16:54:24]ed_pi dont know
[16:54:35]ed_p'joe' is the guy jason has do stuff for him
[16:54:41]ed_phe's supposed to work on it
[16:55:01]ed_pbut yeah, jason is'n tback till friday so i'd expect we're gonna be a little bit more time
[16:55:38]steevithakso I guess we shift to checking in with joe every day instead of city of dallas :)
[16:55:59]ed_pha
[16:56:01]ed_pyeah maybe
[16:56:21]ed_pneed to call the robo-hotline again and find out whats changed
[16:56:28]ed_pi need to go drink some water and lay down
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[17:01:10]GlennHi
[17:01:13]CO-botCO still not completed... those psychotic klutzes
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[17:01:16]ed_pHi glenn
[17:01:26]GlennSaw the inspection info
[17:01:30]ed_pcool
[17:01:37]ed_pany thoughts?
[17:01:40]GlennSo how long to fix?
[17:01:45]ed_pI do not know
[17:01:55]GlennJason knows?
[17:01:55]ed_pJason is out of town till Friday
[17:02:01]GlennArg
[17:02:16]GlennHow about anyone else there?
[17:02:27]ed_pno
[17:02:42]ed_pcourtney and linda said 'joe' would stop by, pick up the red tags, and do stuff
[17:03:01]GlennK that's more promising
[17:03:58]GlennHot today here
[17:04:07]ed_pit was hot in the space
[17:04:16]GlennProbably same temp as there
[17:04:18]ed_pnot too bad temperature-wise (mid 80s) but no wind
[17:04:30]ed_pcompletely still like being inside a closet
[17:04:34]GlennAround 100 here
[17:04:44]ed_pyikes
[17:04:55]GlennDad surgery tomorrow
[17:05:05]Glenn9 am pat
[17:05:14]Glennpst
[17:05:19]ed_pah
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[17:15:15]dougemesgood luck for your dad
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[19:54:51]MetalDusted_P: Pickle Lamp http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/7779641
[20:01:03]MetalDusthttp://www.zimmerman-lehman.com/strategic.htm "Strategic Planning for Nonprofits"
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[20:53:29]ed_pMetalDust: that pickle wasn't as neat as the ones i did
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[21:32:34]MetalDusthttp://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/zip/1868978339.html CUBICLES (IRVING)
[21:37:26]ed_p"cant sell them" ?
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[23:26:39]zulewow
[23:26:43]zuleyou guys are still waiting?
[23:26:54]zuleit's been weeks now hasn't it?
[23:27:02]zulecan you hold them liable for the lease?
[23:27:40]Alan_hwe're not paying rent till the city inspection passes
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