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Subject: DPRG: Artificial Intelligence in Robotics
From: S Sunder sunder at rocketmail.com
Date: Fri Jan 23 03:26:24 CST 1998

Hi Alan Bredon

May I have a complete reference to this title please.

There is very little we know about the intelligence in
the bio-system, so it is hard to make any comments on
what is going to happen. Like other species have taken
a second place, there is a finite possibility that some
of us will take their place for the others who will also
look alike. That will be no different role than the one
we fear now for the machines. The bio-machines are more
of that nature... eating each others for their survival.

I show the mother nature bringing up a child only to eat
it one day... 

  From Mind and Its Nature, Ram Krishna math Publication

No one really knows when and where we will slip to the
second or third or .. position. 

May be we are already heading to it by making robots. If 
you don't fear robots, then you will not fear anything 

How much do you feel for man getting kiiled in a war?
what if some animal kills the same man for eating tomorrow.

Premature as well mature intelligence may still behave 
alike for similar needs.

Fear your survival. That is life any way.

Shyam India

- ---Alan Bredon <alanb at cryogen.com> wrote:
> I discovered this item of paranoia that I think is interesting:
> And it's not from the CORE people!
> ----
>  172.  First let us postulate that the computer scientists succeed in
> developing intelligent machines that can do all things better that human
> beings can do them. In that case presumably all work will be done by
> vast, highly organized systems of machines and no human effort will be
> necessary.  Either of two cases might occur.  The machines might be
> permitted to make all of their own decisions without human oversight, or
> else human control over the machines might be retained.
> 173.  If the machines are permitted to make all their own decisions, we
> can't make any conjectures as to the results, because it is impossible
> to guess how such machines might behave.  We only point out that the
> fate of the human race would be at the mercy of the machines.  It might
> be argued that the human race would never be foolish enough to hand over
> all the power to the machines. But we are suggesting neither that the
> human race would voluntarily turn power over to the machines nor that
> the machines would willfully seize power.  What we do suggest is that
> the human race might easily permit itself to drift into a position of
> such dependence on the machines that it would have no practical choice
> but to accept all of the machines decisions.  As society and the
> problems that face it become more and more complex and machines become
> more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more of their
> decision for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring
> better results than man-made ones.  Eventually a stage may be reached at
> which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so
> complex that human beings will be incapable of making them
> intelligently.  At that stage the machines will be in effective control.
> People won't be able to just turn the machines off, because they will be
> so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide.
> 174.  On the other hand it is possible that human control over the
> machines may be retained. In that case the average man may have control
> over certain private machines of his own, such as his car or his
> personal computer, but control over large systems of machines will be in
> the hands of a tiny elite -- just as it is today, but with two
> differences. Due to improved techniques the elite will have greater
> control over the masses; and because human work will no longer be
> necessary the masses will be superfluous, a useless burden on the
> system.  If the elite is ruthless they may simply decide to exterminate
> the mass of humanity.  If they are humane they may use propaganda or
> other psychological or biological techniques to reduce the birth rate
> until the mass of humanity becomes extinct, leaving the world to the
> elite. Or, if the elite consist of soft-hearted liberals, they may
> decide to play the role of good shepherds to the rest of the human
> race.  They will see to it that everyone' s physical needs are
> satisfied, that all children are raised under psychologically hygienic
> conditions, that everyone has a wholesome hobby to keep him busy, and
> that anyone who may become dissatisfied undergoes "treatment" to cure
> his "problem."  Of course, life will be so purposeless that people will
> have to be biologically or psychologically engineered either to remove
> their need for the power process or to make them "sublimate" their drive
> for power into some harmless hobby.  These engineered human beings may
> be happy in such a society, but they most certainly will not be free.
> They will have been reduced to the status of domestic animals.
> [etc.]
>  179. It would be better to dump the whole stinking system and take the
> consequences.
> [from the Manifesto of Ted Kazinski]
> ----
> See, no wavelets!  (I hope he doesn't get out of jail and sue me for
> copyright infringement!  I will consider this "fair-use".)
> --
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