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Subject: [DPRG] Servo Prices
From: Fred H. Ennenga fredenn at mctcnet.net
Date: Thu Dec 19 18:41:00 CST 2002

I didn't bother to check your spelling ;-), I just wanted to say
I agree with Pete Miles.

I would rather pay an extra buck to an Acroname or Lynxmotion to
keep them in business.

Just my 0.0002 cents.


>I would normally take this offline, and I probably should; but I
>compelled to respond publicly so I ask pardon for this one
indulgence from
>the other readers.
>> Pete Miles wrote:
>> But what is the big deal about trying to save a buck in this
>It really bothers me that you don't see the irony in that
>The big deal about my trying to save a buck in this hobby is the
EXACT same
>deal as business trying to *MAKE* a buck in this hobby.  A buck
is money.
>You whine throughout your post explaining how valuable it is in
>small margins and subsidizing labor and packing materials.  It's
>to me in the completing of my robot.
>> If you notice most of the servos listed below are within a
buck from
>> each other.  Do you think the people that sell them are making
a lot
>> of money off of them?  They are not.
>I don't worry about how much profit businesses are making.  Do
they worry
>themselves about much money *I* have?  ..or DON'T have?  No way!
Nor should
>they!  It would be immoral.  It's not only immoral to pay more
than I have
>to, but it's just plain stupid.  Another thing, why would
ANYBODY want to
>get in a business where they don't make money?  Business is
*NOT* a
>philanthropic endeavor.  When I buy a product, I am not giving
to a charity.
>When I buy a product, I expect value.  Period.  "Value is based
on and
>derives from the facts of reality (it does not derive from
mystic authority
>or from whim, personal or social)." --Leonard Peikoff  (
>> It costs money to but the servos.  It costs money in labor to
unpack them,
>> stock them, and then package them up to ship them to you.
>It costs money to "but" the servos?  Yikes.  I don't want to buy
a servo
>that's been "butted."
>> Think about it.  Someone places an internet order (on-line,
not calling
>> talking to a person, which takes more time in labor).  They
receive the
>> they get the item from inventory, they box it up, they print a
>list, the
>> print a shipping lable, and the place the packing list on the
box, and the
>> label on the box and then set the box on the shipping and
receiving table
>for UPS
>> to come an get it.
>To come "an" get it?  You mean, come AND get it.
>> Think about it, 10, 15 minutes to do all of these activities
seems.  If
>you are paying
>> someone say minimum wage of around $5 per hour, the labor
costs just to
>> an order is abot $1 to $2.  This doesn't event count the cost
for all of
>the paper, packing
>> material, and boxes.
>I'm not even sure how to respond to the aforementioned.  If I
was running a
>business where my business model was conducive to losing money,
then I'd fix
>the process so that I could undersell my competitors.  This is
why Dell is
>so successful.
>> Now if a business has 2 full time employees making minimum
wage with full
>That should be spelled "b-e-n-e-f-i-t-s."
>> they will have to make as profit about $60,000 just to cover
wages and
>> social security, etc.  Do you know how many servos you have to
sell just
>to cover that
>> much money.
>That should have been closed with a question mark.  I believe
that was a
>> This doesn't event cover the rest of the money to run the
business or
>That's spelled "a-d-v-e-r-t-i-s-e."
>> And how many of you are happy with the minimum wage you are
making right
>> now.  You are making minimum wage right?  Because if you are
making more
>> than minimum wage, your business needs to make more money to
cover your
>It doesn't matter if I'm making minimum wage or independently
wealthy.  When
>I'm running a business, I will always try to make money--even if
>Microsoft.  When I am buying a product, I will always try to
>money--even if I'm Bill Gates.  To do otherwise is immoral and
>By the way, salary is spelled "s-a-l-a-r-y."  You really should
create a
>shortcut on your desktop to  <http://www.dictionary.com>
>> Small robotics companies like Lynxmotion and Acroname do not
make a lot
>> of money off of their products.  So beating them up to save a
$1 only
>> them.  They make less money, and when the economy is down,
people don't
>> as much, and then they have to think, do I go out of business
or do I hold
>Hmm.  Didn't you call me a cheapskate for trying to save a buck?
So *I*
>should feel fine about giving a buck away.  No big deal.  Now
you're saying
>a buck is a big deal to a company.  Pick a side, man.  Is a buck
a big deal
>or is it not?
>TotalRobots is a great example of a company that offers value.
Before you
>remind me they're not an American company and that I should "Buy
>let me say that the phrase "Buy American" is unamerican. (
>Besides, I'm buying six servos.  If I pay $15 to Acroname,
that'll come to
>$75 vs. $60 from ServoCity.  That's $15 more!  With $15, I could
buy another
>> The next time you are thinking about an $11 servo is too
expensive over
>> that $10 servo, think about the last hamburger you bought.
Did you buy
>> that 99 cent double stack from Wendy's or did you buy the
$3.50 bacon
>> burger.  People generally have no problem spending a lot of
money on food
>> and entertainment, but think the world is ripping them off
when they
>> $11 for a servo.
>Mmmm... double stack bacon burger... mmmmm.
>> Sorry, a pet peeve of mine, since these robot businesses out
there are
>> trying to make a business with a bunch of cheapskates as their
>A pet peeve of mine is when other people think that it's more
important for
>them to have my dollar than it is for me to keep it.  Do you
know what I
>tell people on the street who beg for money from me?  I tell
them, "Get a
>job."  If you are running a business that isn't making money,
I'll tell you,
>"Get a better business model."
>I will gladly pay a premium for value.  I paid a huge premium
for the WCMs I
>bought from TotalRobots.  The value is that the WCMs connect to
my OOPic via
>an IIC interface, and they provide sample code.  I don't have to
>anything.  The savvy hardware engineer would consider my
purchase ludicrous
>because he can buy and assemble the primitive components for
>less than what I paid.
>TotalRobots.com is a prime example of a website that offers
value to its
>customers.  They aren't always the cheapest, but they have the
>relationships vendor, they have FANTASTIC products, and their
website is one
>of the best I've seen--simple, clean, always growing, and no
broken links!
>The OOPic is also a fantastic product.  It has a very good
>following and very active message board.  There are TONS of
examples for
>accessory connection to the board and how to program them.
>I am a Capitalist, not a philanthropist--unless there's value in
it for me.

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