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[DPRG] Re: A modest proposal

Subject: [DPRG] Re: A modest proposal
From: Earl Bollinger earlwbollinger at attbi.com
Date: Fri Nov 1 18:40:02 CST 2002

Never say never.
As soon as somebody figures out how to get a steel regulation sumo ring
built and can get it carried in. They would start building robots to
take advantage of it.
The problem is carrying it in. That sucker is what? 5 feet across? At least
3/8th to 1/2 inch thick. Even if you went for 1/4" with a web framework,
that sucker is heavy.
Heck, just getting a 5 foot across wood sumo ring carried in is a big deal
Steel, what are we talking about, 200-250 pounds here? for the ring? Hernia
time not Miller time.

But it would be spectacular. I don't know about the vaccum being any good,
but these new magnets like out of a HD, could be placed so that they are
about 1/16th inch off the deck. You'd quadruple+ your robot's weight on a
steel ring. Definitely get some traction there.

The problem is I don't think we have anyone in the area with a sumo in this
size class. All I see are mini-sumos at this time.

Is there anyone in DPRG with a 22cm sized autonomous robot?

-----Original Message-----
>From: dprglist-admin at dprg.org [mailto:dprglist-admin at dprg.org]On Behalf
Of Dan Gates
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:32 PM
To: dprglist at dprg.org
Subject: Re: [DPRG] Re: A modest proposal

 I thought your suggestions were par for the course, if we're just out
to please the crowd then I can think of a lot of good ways to do that,
and since adding Vacuum and magnets pretty much discludes the kids
anyway, why not throw in gambling, drinking, and sex. I got the satire
and thought it was a great way to get the point across!  Just as I
would never allow gambling, drinking, and sex at RoboMaxx, I also would
never allow Magnets and vacuums.

--- "David P. Anderson" <dpa at io.isem.smu.edu> wrote:
> Howdy
> Jim Frye writes:
> >
> > I found your comments rude, vulgar, and wish there was some way I
> could get
> > back the few moments I spent reading this nonsense. Unfortunately
> they are
> > gone forever... Pete put a great deal of work into his e-mail. It
> was well
> > thought out and presented. What you have done is inexcusable. Jim
> Hey now!
> I put a great deal of thought and work into my email as well.  I like
> Pete
> and I think he does a great job.  I happen to disagree with him on
> this issue.
> The arguments Pete put forth in his posting are based on the axiom
> that the
> design and execution of robot competitions should be driven by what
> makes
> them most entertaining to a lay audience.
> I believe that is an error.  I have posted many emails to this list
> over the
> years as to why such an assumption drives robot clubs away from
> designs and
> techniques that are valuable to the robot builders; the actual folks
> who
> put their time and energy and money into the clubs.  The ones who, as
> I say,
> might take their joy from nurturing a clever design in the quiet of
> their
> workshops.
> This time rather than rehash those same observations I chose to
> respond in the
> time-honored tradition of satire: A Modest Proposal.  Remember
> Jonathan Swifts's
> famous modest proposal, to reduce both the over population and hunger
> problems
> in England by eating the children of poor people?  Rude and vulgar.
> Some folks find satire humorous and are able to read between the
> lines the
> larger meaning, in this case that catering to the roar of the crowd
> is not
> the best metric of successful robotic achievement.  Others have
> trouble with
> satire, or even view it as inexcusable.  And some just need a gentle
> nudge.
> I'm hopeful that you are in the latter category, Jim Frye of Lynx
> Motion.
> Chacun a son gout.
> respectfully,
> dpa
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