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[DPRG] Re: A modest proposal

Subject: [DPRG] Re: A modest proposal
From: Charles cthurston at sc.rr.com
Date: Fri Nov 1 18:51:01 CST 2002

Hello Earl,

Well 1 inch steel plate weights 68 pounds a square foot and 1/2 inch
is 34 pounds a square foot.   A frame to brace 1/4 inch plate would
weigh as much as a ring of 1/2 inch plate.

Best Regards
Charles                               cthurston at sc.rr.com

Friday, November 01, 2002, 7:40:44 PM, you wrote:

EB> Never say never.
EB> As soon as somebody figures out how to get a steel regulation sumo ring
EB> built and can get it carried in. They would start building robots to
EB> take advantage of it.
EB> The problem is carrying it in. That sucker is what? 5 feet across? At least
EB> 3/8th to 1/2 inch thick. Even if you went for 1/4" with a web framework,
EB> that sucker is heavy.
EB> Heck, just getting a 5 foot across wood sumo ring carried in is a big deal
EB> actually.
EB> Steel, what are we talking about, 200-250 pounds here? for the ring? Hernia
EB> time not Miller time.

EB> But it would be spectacular. I don't know about the vaccum being any good,
EB> but these new magnets like out of a HD, could be placed so that they are
EB> about 1/16th inch off the deck. You'd quadruple+ your robot's weight on a
EB> steel ring. Definitely get some traction there.

EB> The problem is I don't think we have anyone in the area with a sumo in this
EB> size class. All I see are mini-sumos at this time.

EB> Is there anyone in DPRG with a 22cm sized autonomous robot?

EB> -----Original Message-----
EB> From: dprglist-admin at dprg.org [mailto:dprglist-admin at dprg.org]On Behalf
EB> Of Dan Gates
EB> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:32 PM
EB> To: dprglist at dprg.org
EB> Subject: Re: [DPRG] Re: A modest proposal

EB> David,
EB>  I thought your suggestions were par for the course, if we're just out
EB> to please the crowd then I can think of a lot of good ways to do that,
EB> and since adding Vacuum and magnets pretty much discludes the kids
EB> anyway, why not throw in gambling, drinking, and sex. I got the satire
EB> and thought it was a great way to get the point across!  Just as I
EB> would never allow gambling, drinking, and sex at RoboMaxx, I also would
EB> never allow Magnets and vacuums.
EB> -Dan

EB> --- "David P. Anderson" <dpa at io.isem.smu.edu> wrote:
>> Howdy
>> Jim Frye writes:
>> >
>> > I found your comments rude, vulgar, and wish there was some way I
>> could get
>> > back the few moments I spent reading this nonsense. Unfortunately
>> they are
>> > gone forever... Pete put a great deal of work into his e-mail. It
>> was well
>> > thought out and presented. What you have done is inexcusable. Jim
>> Hey now!
>> I put a great deal of thought and work into my email as well.  I like
>> Pete
>> and I think he does a great job.  I happen to disagree with him on
>> this issue.
>> The arguments Pete put forth in his posting are based on the axiom
>> that the
>> design and execution of robot competitions should be driven by what
>> makes
>> them most entertaining to a lay audience.
>> I believe that is an error.  I have posted many emails to this list
>> over the
>> years as to why such an assumption drives robot clubs away from
>> designs and
>> techniques that are valuable to the robot builders; the actual folks
>> who
>> put their time and energy and money into the clubs.  The ones who, as
>> I say,
>> might take their joy from nurturing a clever design in the quiet of
>> their
>> workshops.
>> This time rather than rehash those same observations I chose to
>> respond in the
>> time-honored tradition of satire: A Modest Proposal.  Remember
>> Jonathan Swifts's
>> famous modest proposal, to reduce both the over population and hunger
>> problems
>> in England by eating the children of poor people?  Rude and vulgar.
>> Some folks find satire humorous and are able to read between the
>> lines the
>> larger meaning, in this case that catering to the roar of the crowd
>> is not
>> the best metric of successful robotic achievement.  Others have
>> trouble with
>> satire, or even view it as inexcusable.  And some just need a gentle
>> nudge.
>> I'm hopeful that you are in the latter category, Jim Frye of Lynx
>> Motion.
>> Chacun a son gout.
>> respectfully,
>> dpa
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